Sunday, April 12, 2009

can we blame them? chronicle: opinions and diversity

let it be known that my holy week presentation post was not intended to widen the gap of gender. rather its main objective is to neutralize the ongoing conflict in between.
nowadays, such is no longer an issue of gender and morals, rather it is a discourse of respect and human diversity. it is not really a matter of who wrote nor commented it, who says the right nor wrong. its a matter of what needs to be done in order for an equitable right to be upheld and recognized to everyone.
opinions are everyone's right. but with every right comes duties. and in every word that comes out of us, we are bound to its results and consequences. in other words, we are responsible for every details that we express for this gives true meaning and value to it. thus, i just find it very coward for someone who don't stand for his/her opinion and hides behind the doubtfulness of anonymousity. one should realize that the absense of duty forfeits the right and the dearth of a right leads to chaos.
i believe that the diversity of our opinions unite us into one. it strip off our biases and subjectivities. for many, it either confirms or reforms what they believe and in effect, makes one to recognize the complexities of our differences.
but when one begins to act and think dogmatically that is where the problem arises. one will never achieve respect if s/he doesn't respect the views of others. as i always say, respect is a mutual thing. you wouldn't expect someone to give their respect to you if you don't give that in return. this is gained and not innately acquired, inherited nor a right.
finally, let it also be a point taken that i am not directly referring to either the heterosexuals nor homosexuals alone, rather to all people in general. probably, the main problem here is the lack of respect of both parties. when one attacks it is obvious that the other retaliates. but if one gives his respect regardless of what s/he believes then expect harmony despite our differences.


kapanalig said...

Since God determine what sin is, here is God's opinion:

" Do not be deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, NOR HOMOSEXUALS.....shall inherit the kingdom of God" ...... And such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God". (I Corin. 6:9-11)

You can be set free from this demonic sin through the power of Jesus Christ. Many homosexuals have been completely set free to live a holy life through the power of Jesus Christ.

Scriptures say exactly why the wrath of God abides on the homosexuals:
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who withhold the truth in unrighteousness.... because when they knew God they glorified Him not as God,.... Professing themselves to wise, they became fools, ..... Wherefore God gave them up to dishonor their bodies among themselves...Who exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worship and served the creature more than the Creator... FOR THIS CAUSE God gave them up to vile affections....and likewise the men also, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust toward one another, men with men,... receiving in themselves THE JUST RECOMPENSE FOR THEIR ERROR,... God gave then over to a reprobate mind,.... filled with all unrighteousness, ...full of envy, murder, deceit,....haters of God,...proud,...without understanding,...who, KNOWING THE JUDGMENT OF GOD, that they which commit such things ARE WORTHY OF (ETERNAL) DEATH..." (Romans 1: 18-32

Luis Batchoy said...

I know my God to be a loving and understanding God. He knows me, made me in His own image and likeness, and gave me the right to call him father, in Christ's brotherhood. All these, and yes, I am gay. I respect how people know their God and it is their divine right to believe what they believe in. I do not choke my beliefs down other people's throat and I expect the same. We may debate, argue, discuss and all that jazz till kingdom come, but what's the point. I have a favorite passage, from Jesus Christ himself. Let he who sinneth not be the first to cast a stone. After all, in the end, it boils down to one thing. It is gonna be between you and your God.

Trip said...

I Corin. 6:9

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor EFFEMINATE, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,..."

@kapanalig, u changed the word "effeminate" with "homosexual"? u change what is written in the Bible to suit ur need? what does that make u?

Jake said...

What does that make of Kapanalig?

A downright HYPOCRITE.

300 years ago, the Vatigan excommunicated Galileo.

300 years later, the Vatican apologized.

It all boils down to how a man can take so much of dogma and be blinded by the point of being a religious fanatic.

I follow no religion but I have a deep, personal relationship with God who has given me a good life.

And I am a proud (but still not an entirely out) homosexual.

I was taught in law school not to take on a debate on the matter of religion. Otherwise, both sides will fall on the different traps of logical fallacies.

I rest my case and may you find your eternal peace kapanalig.

line of flight said...

Pinagpala ang mga inuusig dahil sa katuwiran sapagkat sa kanila ang paghahari ng langit. Pinagpala kayo kung kayo ay inaalimura ng mga tao at pinag-uusig at pinagwiwikaan ng lahat ng uri ng masasamang salita na pawang kasinungalingan dahil sa akin. Mat. 5:10-11

and that comes from Jesus himself. Stop being a necrofascist and persecuting others in the name of your god! Life is love. I agree with wandering commuter, let's grow out of the dogmatic image of thought, in general!

Mugen said...

Kapanalig How do you explain this:

"For there are different reasons why men cannot marry: some because they were born that way; others, because men made them that way; and others do not marry for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven."

- Jesus Christ, Matthew 19:11

Live and let live dude. I never knew a Christ who spoke against homosexuals. What he was against were hypocrites who think knew everything. I would rather worship idols rather than see my God setting people apart because of some passages interpreted far from its original meaning which is Love.

dabo said...

yes diversity. enough said. however the world is being proliferated by people wanting to be important.

forget about social justice and equality, it is a far fetched idea at this rate

kapanalig said...


That simply shows, you haven't done your research very well.


Just some suggestions, read first the bible. Then go back with me and tell me that i am wrong. If you don't believe the writings in the bible, then what is the basis of Christianism as a religion? If you're not a Christian or practicing one, then why bother reacting?

line of flight said...

@kapanalig: If you're not a homosexual or practicing one, then why bother reacting?

kapanalig said...

@line of flight

Please check my previous replies on why am i questioning it. :)

Herbs D. said...

i'm totally cheering for Line of flight and all the other papas out there.

hay nako. People who get bothered by stuffs like these are obviously innately affected by it :P

i'm betting half my balls this KAPANALIG guy is gay hahaha

Trip said...
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Trip said...

@kapanalig, of course i did my research. :) the one i quoted is from the king james version. and there are other versions of the said verse. may i ask? do u think what i quote from the king james version incorrect?

btw, did u also make a thorough research on the different versions of the said verse? ;) if u did, u r not a good researcher because u have only one source of data. hehehe

try these:
and these


my comment was a test on how open minded are u to the different interpretations of the said passage. i guess u r not. :)

i was expecting that u would say that yes, the one i quoted is right and the one u quoted is also right relative to the versions where we got it. ;)

Mugen said...

Just some suggestions, read first the bible. Then go back with me and tell me that i am wrong. If you don't believe the writings in the bible, then what is the basis of Christianism as a religion? If you're not a Christian or practicing one, then why bother reacting?

Kapanalig: The Bible is useless when you don't understand its deepest essence. Do not read it literally. Instead, pick up the good points, and ignore the bad ones.

I am not a Bible person, but I tell you, my faith can move mountains. I am a Christian not by religion, but by its essence.

And you haven't answered my question yet.

kapanalig said...

- Trying to be smart enough? What i am just saying is i haven't changed any word on my first comment which is taken from the said website. That is why i asked you to research about it thoroughly. Anyway, have you checked the differences? Effems/homosexuals are gays. Either of the two is a sin. Check the verses again. :)

"For there are different reasons why men cannot marry: some because they were born that way; others, because men made them that way; and others do not marry for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven."
- (Gay) Men cannot marry because they were born that way? Did this answer that homosexuals/effems are not a sin?

"Instead, pick up the good points, and ignore the bad ones. "
-That is the very reason why you are debating on this one. Your ignoring the parts where you thought are bad ones - "Being gay is a sin".

I guess i'm not changing your minds here. Since you've already closed your minds on believing that it is not a sin. Which doesn't have any bases. Only experiences you thought are right. I'm letting this blog have its new post. A different one i hope. Not gay-likes. Ciao. Goodbye everyone. I'll read some other blogs and brighten up their thoughts. Happy easter. :)

Trip said...

@kapanalig, and u really think u can just change people's minds? hahaha.

John Vincent aka Jay Vee said...

TAMA NA!!!!!!!!!!!

makitid ang utak ni kapanalig..
kahit ano sabihin natin sarado utak nyan! wag na patulan!

Chyng said...

I love this thread!:D
Dame ko natutunan.

In addition, I think its better to love your neighbor, whether straight or gay. That's His commandment.

I know my God wants me to be fair and serve all, regardless of the gender, lalo na...

Anonymous said...

Me point naman si kapanalig. Ako alam ko na kasalanan ito simula bata pa. Narinig ko na rin ang mga debate tulad nyan. Parehas na me point. Ang isa e basehan ang bibliya. Ang isa e basehan kung ano ang sa tingin nila na "tama" at kinukwestiyon ang bibliya. Nakakatakot lang din kasi hindi ko alam kung ano papanigan. Kung ang relihiyon na buong buhay kong sinasabing kabilang ako o ang ginagawa ko ngayon na tama para sa akin. Minsan naiisip ko na pinagpapatuloy ko ito at nagiging bulag dahil hindi ko matigil/masakripisyo ang aking kaligayahan. Sa huli, alam kong mali ito sa ibang tao kaya hindi ako panatag na tama ang ginagawa ko.

-sorry wala akong blog. nakikibasa lang ako ke wanderingcommuter at walang tyagang gumawa ng sariling blog.

Anonymous said...

Kwestiyon lang sa anonimousity. Pag nagcomment ba ako e dapat me account ako? Pag hindi e duwag ako? So gagawa na lang ako ng account para di masabing duwag. Pero dapat din ba na ipakita ko ang picture ko na malalaman talaga ang itsura ko? Kasi kung hindi makikita ng maayos ang mukha ko e ibig sabihin ayaw kong ipakita ang tunay kong itsura at duwag ako.

Yj said...

naiiyak ako sa post na toh... sana nabasa ko ito noong first sem... noong pinagawa ako ng religion prof ko ng report regarding HOMOSEXUALITY AS A SIN.... kung saan may format na kailangan may mga ilagay akong WAYS TO PREVENT IT and WAYS TO CURE IT...

shetness.... sana sinupalpal ko sa kanya tong article mo....

anyhow.... i've been through so much that there is nothing anyone can say nor do to hurt me, and change my ideologies.....

BAKLA AKO AT MASAYA AKO NA GANITO AKO..... sarap sarap maging bakla eh!!! nyahahahaha

Anonymous said...


Hulaan ko mga nilagay mo sa report mo.

1.Di na ako titingin sa katawan ng mga lalake.
2.Di ako hahawak ng kahit anong bagay na matigas.
3.Di na ako mag-o-online sa g4m (kung meron pa)

1.Magjajakol ako gamit ang Playboy.
2.Araw araw akong titingin sa puke.
3.Mamimick up ako sa Quezon Ave ng babae at kakantutin ng 4 na beses.


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